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A shocking interview with Mary Kitagawa, the vice president of Johnny's Jimusho has been carried out by Shuukan Bunshun.


source: http://johnnys-watcher.seesaa.net/article/412747661.html

Mary Kitagawa threatened Iijima Michi! Shuukan Bunshun Interview concerning Johnny’s faction problem
January 22, 2015

translated by yanie02

I have read Shuukan Bunshun’s article. It’s an amazing interview. I recommend to anyone who has interest in Johnny’s faction problem to buy this magazine. It’s a 5-hour long interview, so my space is limited, but I will summarize the important points.

First of all, the chronology of how this interview happened.

Mid-December last year, in an Italian restaurant in Nishi-Azabu, “Margotto e Baciare”, Mary and Julie had dinner with actress Daichi Mao and Kuroki Hitomi and also the designer Morita Yasumichi and his wife. Bunshun caught this dinner meeting. MatsuJun, Ikuta-kun and Massu were there too. Few days later, Bunshun sent a question concerning this dinner meeting to Johnny’s Jimusho. Then, the Jimusho’s lawyer made a call and said Mary is willing to have an interview with Bunshun.

On the day of the interview, Mary was there together with the Jimusho’s executive director,  Shirahase Suguru, a male staff and two Jimusho lawyers. She was wearing a deep crimson clothes and her eyes behind her black-framed glasses gave a sharp stare. The interview started with her rebuke and objection toward Bunshun.

Well, you may read for the details about that on the magazine itself. So what did Mary say about the faction problem?

When the reporter frankly asked concerning the matter, hearing the word “faction” Mary replied in tone filled with anger,

“What I think was so rude was your question letter. It was written ‘According to a certain media, Fujima Julie Keiko, the next president candidate…’She is the next president! What’s wrong with that? She’s my daughter, it’s obvious that she will inherit the whole company. How rude to mention her as a “candidate.” She is the NEXT PRESIDENT. Shii-san, is my Julie a candidate?”

“No, she’s not” Shirahase answered. This is the first time that they made an official statement that Julie is the official successor to the agency.

We tried to explain that we mentioned her as a ‘candidate’, because she is not the current president, Mary responded raising her tone, “Of course Johnny and me are still here. Why should she be president? She will be the president, when I fall ill. Sorry to say, but I’m healthier than Shii-san. (cut) I have never heard that there’s a second faction besides Julie’s faction. If there’s really faction in our Jimusho, then it is due to the lack of my management skill. If it’s true, I cannot forgive that, and if there are things that have made you all think that way, then I will warn Iijima. I will make her quit by today. That’s how things should be done at work,”
[Shuukan Bunshun]

She said it. Julie is the next president.

And if you read this, you can tell that Iijima is nowhere in Mary’s range of sight.

Maybe to make that clear, Mary said to her staff “Call Iijima here now. Call her. Do you know where she is now?” It was totally unexpected.

The male staff made calls in a hurry. Mary totally didn’t care whether or not Iijima is at work. Then, she continued talking about the faction matter…

“If Iijima made a faction to go against my daughter, of course I have to tell her off. It’ll be an embarrassment if there’s such thing as faction in our Jimusho. What if there’s faction in Bunshun company, it’ll be embarrassing, right? (cut short) You asked me about the faction but I have never heard such thing. You just read about that on the internet, don’t you? Fans must have read it too. Actually fans has nothing to do with faction. Fans support the talents and not their agency. If that’s not the case, why do you think Matchy’s fan still support him after 35 years?”
[Shuukan Bunshun]

“Faction is shameful” it has showed Mary’s sentiment about the matter.

It sounds like “How dare a person like Iijima start a fight with my daughter?”

Iijima arrived 30 minutes later.

“Good morning. My name is Iijima” she said it cynically. She smiled while handing over her business card. We can also see that she’s feeling troubled.

Maybe she was thinking like “Why would she called over Shuukan Bunshun? And why do I have to come too!? This #$#$&#*(@)***!!!” in her mind?

“Go ahead. Interview Iijima. Ask her about her opposition against me.” As Mary pressed the reporter and the reporter asked the question, Iijima answered with a serious expression.

I feel troubled too. I hope something can be done about this. Maybe the fans are writing about this on the net too. But if magazines start writing about this, people would think that this is true. There is no such thing at all. I feel harmed and I think Julie-san too, that Johnny’s Jimusho is being viewed that way. I guess there are people trying to make stories that way. The entertainment world is full of competitions, anyway. But there is really no such thing…” [Iijima]

--Then why Arashi and SMAP does not appear together much?

“There isn’t really a reason for that…” [Iijima]

Mary who was just listening, spoke up.

“That’s because SMAP cannot dance! Can’t you tell the difference of talents who can dance and not? It’s so rude if you write about things like that. The boys who can dance can see that SMAP cannot dance”

It is something that only the Empress can say. Even Iijima couldn’t object that.

“Aoyama Theater will be opened this year. Gekidan Shiki will use it in the beginning, but we will also make appearance there in the end. Only boys who can dance may appear there. In our agency, there are boys who can act or do funny things. But for stage, we only select boys who can dance. That’s why we have a dance teacher. Travis was the one who helped Michael (yanie's note: Jackson?) to the end.”

She keep saying that dancing skill is the soul of Johnny’s talents. However, Julie’s faction and Iijima’s faction rarely appear together on TV shows too.

--But if we see the TV shows’ appearances…

“You said Iijima’s faction? Iijima, which groups are you in charge of?”

“I manage SMAP, Kis-my…” [Iijima]

“There’s nothing wrong for Iijima to put in the groups she’s in charge of, in one show. If there’s anything wrong, then it’s the fact she’s been taking care of SMAP for too long. Our TOP, Matchy changes managers every so often. He manages his managers himself. It’s Matchy’s 35th anniversary this year. Counting his junior period, he’s been here for 39 years. He’s the oldest one and Iijima is as old as he is. But sorry to say, I don’t trust boys who can dance to Iijima. Can’t you see that? Our boys have to be able to dance,”
[Shuukan Bunshun]

Once Mary done speaking, the wide meeting room was filled with silence. The whole room felt nervous.

However… to say SMAP cannot appear together with Arashi, because they can’t dance…

“I can’t trust her to take care of the boys who can dance” means, all the groups under the care of Iijima “cannot dance”.

And the way Mary sharply criticized Iijima in front of a media reporter shows her true intention. I’m surprised with her close-to-hatred “hostility”.

After that, Mary and Iijima had a bit of an argument concerning Tackey’s axing problem (yanie's note: according to Mary, Iijima had once canceled Tackey's appearance in SMAP's show which Iijima denied) and also Dohmoto Koichi’s “neutral remark.” (yanie's note: Koichi made a remark that he’s neutral and doesn’t side any faction?)

You may find the details yourself in the magazine, but one sentence caught my attention.

Many people from the TV station, etc, worried about Iijima, y’know. Because she’s scary. She imitate me and try to be as scary as me. But she’s a different kind of scary, I think.” [Mary]
[Shuukan Bunshun]

Really. Mary admitted this. So people in the industry is afraid of Iijima, afterall.

“No, no. There’s really no such thing as faction. The TV station decided the casting. For example, SMAPxSMAP or getsuku dramas. Even they made the offers, they can’t meet their schedule. The media is just trying to make the fact interesting. We can’t always respond to every single thing like this. I swear to God that there’s no such thing as faction, ever.” [Iijima]
[Shuukan Bunshun]

Even Iijima have sworn it. So, there’s no such thing as faction in Johnny’s.

And it has been settled that the successor is Julie.

So the long-rumored “faction problem” has been solved… Yeah right, you think we can accept this just like that!?

During the whole interview Mary kept saying severe things to Iijima, and I’m starting to clearly understand about this faction problem.

If there’s a problem between Julie and Iijima. I will have Julie stay. Because she’s my daughter. I will make Iijima quit. That’s the only choice. You may write this statement properly. You want me to tell you about the president candidate matter. Then there you go. It has been settled,”

“For me, the talents are more important than my daughter. But the next important for me is my family. Employees are important, but I have my hands full with the talents already. If Iijima go against Julie then it means she go against me too. You understand right? It’s like stabbing a sword toward me. Why should my daughter have a faction dispute with Iijima? If that’s true, then Iijima can make her own company somewhere else. If there’s a faction dispute, no matter how good she is in doing her job, I’m on my daughter’s side. I’m her mother, nothing’s wrong with that,”
[Shuukan Bunshun]

It also left me a deep impression how she said “Our agency’s TOP is Matchy, not SMAP” and she made Iijima said that as well, a couple of times.

It sounds like “There’s no way SMAP who is being managed by a non-descendant is the TOP of our agency!”

So that’s why the Johnny’s Countdown became like that, huh…

On this anniversary year, it’s almost confirmed that Mary will push Matchy around into his junior’s TV shows.

The following is my personal opinion.
I understand now that there’s no opposition structure between Iijima faction and Julie faction in Johnny’s.
And Mary has absolute management authority in the agency that no one, not even Johnny can disobey.
Mary will have Julie handle the talents she likes, and the rest she let Iijima handle?
There’s no faction, however, Julie as the daughter of the one who has absolute authority, and Iijima as the mere employee, have totally different status. They created atmosphere that the two groups implicitly cannot appear together.
I mean even if Iijima tries to book Arashi member to be a guest in SMAPxSMAP, we can imagine how angry Mary will be, to know that.
It was proven by the way Mary criticized Iijima in front of the reporter, an outsider, and showed that “Iijima definitely have a lower status than Mary & Julie”
“If there’s a faction dispute, no matter how good she is in doing her job, I’m on my daughter’s side. I’m her mother, nothing’s wrong with that,” it means she acknowledged that Iijima is good at doing her work and that’s exactly why she won’t let her have a bigger power than her daughter.

Maybe Mary’s strong love for her daughter and her absolute authority, has made an “invisible wall” in Johnny’s, that outsiders sees it as faction opposition, and the rumors were spreading wide and before we know it, it has become a common knowledge that “they cannot appear together if they’re from different faction”

Lastly, Mary said…

The interview had been going for almost 5 hours. Mary said to the reporter.

“If you ask me I can answer you. When I get angry, I get angry. I said “I’ll make her quit by today” so maybe Iijima thought “What--?” But if there’s such a rumor then Iijima is responsible to erase it. And you should have interviewed Iijima first before me. That’s the ‘procedure.’ “

Mary’s husband, the late Fujima Daisuke, a writer, had once say about his wife. “Her instant water heater-like emotion is intense. But she’s genuinely a ‘woman’”

Johnny’s talents has been ruled, protected by this “Big Mama” ‘s bottomless vitality.
[Shuukan Bunshun]

That closing sentence has pretty much expressed everything.

“Her instant water heater-like emotion is intense. But she’s genuinely a ‘woman’”

Bunshun reporter, thank for your 5-hour long hard work.

Including the unexpected events this has gotta be an interview that will be recorded in the history. What a great job they’ve done.

It must be hard for Iijima being suspected by a powerful monster like her.

I understand that from this interview.

In the middle, she said “If there’s something wrong, then it’s the fact that she has been in charge for SMAP for too long” Is it possible that she will not be in charge of SMAP anymore from now on?

But I guess Johnny won’t let that happen.

And apparently Julie has been educated to be the Empress since she was born.

So heredity counts in Johnny’s Jimusho!

However, it will not work that way someday.

I don’t know what Johnny thinks, but I think they have to hire more excellent workers like Iijima…

Heredity will only harm the organization. It’s common knowledge.

That’s all I can write. It’s a very long interview so this is just a small part of it.

If you’re interested, please buy the magazine and read it at home.

Even so, Mary and Johnny are quite old already. When the two of them gone, we don’t know what will happen. It depends on Iijima and Julie’s relationship.

By the way, Mary said “And you should have interviewed Iijima first before me. That’s the ‘procedure.’”

Bunshun-san, why don’t you have a long interview with Iijima and Julie next?

Looking forward to it!


Pheww.... what a sugoi interview. My turn to comment.

There's no faction, however it is clear to me now, that there's caste system in the agency. Johnny, Mary and Julie are like the Shogun himself and his family members and Iijima is just a vassal/retainer. Mary does not acknowledge the groups that is under Iijima's care. From all Mary's answers and how Iijima hesitant when she was asked why SMAP-Arashi doesn't appear together much, made me think that although Iijima wants Arashi to appear with SMAP, Mary and Julie won't let that happen, because for them SMAP is under the care of a lower caste. So if Iijima wants Arashi to appear in SMAP's show so bad, then Iijima might have to beg shamelessly to Mary and Julie.
There is no faction, but basically Julie is family and Iijima is just an employee. Groups under the care of the "royal family" is not allowed to appear together with the "vassal groups." To think of it, it is actually Mary and Julie who created the faction atmosphere.

Mary said Iijima is responsible for the faction rumor, so Iijima have to take the blame. I guess, if there's ever a problem between Julie and Iijima, then it is Iijima who is the rebel one. Because for Mary, there shouldn't be a problem between them, cos Iijima is just an "employee" she has to follow everything the "family" says.

Sugoi ne... I want to see this made into a taiga drama, LOL.

At first, I was upset to read this interview. But the more I read it, the more I realized how fun Mary's character is haha. If this is a movie, she can be one of those favorite antagonist character. She's so frank. That's very rare for Japanese. But I'm glad she said everything so frankly. Now I understand what's really going on.

The way I see it, seems like Mary is just afraid of Iijima Michi's growing power and influence in the entertainment industry. It's like she's afraid that one day Iijima is able to betray her and stab her from the back. And she seem to worry about her daughter's incompetence, that's why she's trying to protect her with all her might. I do feel touched with her love for her daughter. And I don't blame her for hating SMAP. I understand that SMAP have caused many troubles for the Jimusho in the past. When they were kids, they were out of control and always create troubles. They've grown up and they disobey alot of Johnny's Jimusho's rules. It can't be helped.

If Mary and Johnny are gone, I'm not worried for Iijima and SMAP, they can stand on their own. I say, Iijima even have the potential strength to steal the throne from Julie without Johnny and Mary's protection.

I'm amazed with Iijima and SMAP's patience all these time, having to face a monster woman like her. I can imagine all the nasty thing Mary said to them, everytime a SMAP incident occured (Mori's quit, Takuya's marriage, ect).

By the way, I don't understand this "SMAP/the boys who cannot dance" here? What? Oh well, Mary is 88 years old. I could care less about what she says or her opinion, lol.

We'll see who's the last to laugh.

Oh and yes... I still have faith in SmArashi... one day, I'm sure they will have a collaboration together.


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Jan. 22nd, 2015 10:47 am (UTC)
Thanks for the translation! Weibo already have whole scan of it ^^
But he’s genuinely a ‘woman’</s>
I'm sure here should be "she" ^^;;

>And you should have interviewed Iijima first before me. That’s the ‘procedure.’
she is strange, it's not like Bunshun wanted interview her in 1st place just called to know what's happened on dinner xD

I don't care much of what she said, but I don't like this ><
"If there’s something wrong, then it’s the fact that she has been in charge for SMAP for too long"
Jan. 22nd, 2015 11:56 am (UTC)
oops! thank you for your correction. I wonder if I did that in purpose lol. Do you have the link to the whole scan?

she is strange, it's not like Bunshun wanted interview her in 1st place just called to know what's happened on dinner xD

According to those who have read the whole 10-pages interview, everything she says is contradicting. She said "Everyone including SMAP are my boys" but then at another time "SMAP can't dance" "I only hand over those who can't dance to Iijima" lol

"If there’s something wrong, then it’s the fact that she has been in charge for SMAP for too long"

I wonder what she means about this? I thought she has the power to everything. If she don't like Iijima to stay as SMAP's manager too long, then she can easily give order to rotate all the groups between Julie and Iijima? Or Johnny doesn't allow that? It's not like it's Iijima's fault she always stick to SMAP.

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Jan. 22nd, 2015 11:32 am (UTC)
thanks for the translation...it open my mind about these rumor.

" I still have faith in SmArashi... one day, I'm sure they will have a collaboration together."

me too...perhaps one day when Johnny and Mary not there anymore...and Julie can give the nicest lead...:)
Jan. 22nd, 2015 11:43 am (UTC)
thanks for translating this Yanie. i was upset by the interview i had to admit and by the obvious hostility that Mary has for Iijima and SMAP. but as a Kitagawa and one of the powers that be in the jimusho, she can say anything she wants about her employees, i guess.

as regards to a SMAP-Arashi collab, i wouldn't care less about it. frankly, i don't think it would be a loss if the 2 groups don't collaborate. SMAP is a league of their own, both as a group and as individual artists which i can't really say the same for Arashi. just my two cents worth. :)
Jan. 22nd, 2015 12:00 pm (UTC)
Yes, I can understand SMAP fans who doesn't like or indifferent towards Arashi, definitely doesn't want to see a smarashi, after reading this interview, imagining SMAP side have to kowtow to Arashi side for that to happen.

But I love both groups. So I can't help but to keep wishing for that. It doesn't need to happen, yes. But I just want to see them together, because i love their interaction with each other^^

Maybe when SMAP's side doesn't have to kowtow to anyone anymore. The time will come^^

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Jan. 22nd, 2015 11:44 am (UTC)
thx for translating :3 i'm speechless reading this interview.. mary is a monster indeed but i think she has such burden too, to choose his family or the employee in the agency.. and lijima must be a patient and competent employee neee, not all groups she has managed are lack in dance, like kisumai!! and i didn't know there is such problem in this agency :v
Jan. 22nd, 2015 02:00 pm (UTC)
About Iijima being SMAP management for too long -> this reminds me of a rumor once that Iijima was to leave the company or someone wanted to change her managing SMAP but SMAP was against it and that's why she stays.
Her being with SMAP probably makes her look more powerful than other artist managers and Mary must be irritated that an employer has this much importance/existence.
Jan. 22nd, 2015 02:17 pm (UTC)
woah!!! that's scary!!! I'm on the other side of the world and I have nothing to do with the agency but even I was troubled and a bit scared! ^^U haha I can't imagine how Iijima felt! O.O! she was basically humiliated in front of the interviewer :s

"Heredity will only harm the organization. It’s common knowledge." Agreed! sooner or later one of the heirs won't be good enough for this work and the whole company can fall because of his/her fault. Unless they're smart enough to recognize their lack of talent and hire a good employee to represent him/her.

I hope Julie does a good work as heir... and I hope they hire more managment talents to keep the company in good shape ^^

thanks for the translation :)
Jan. 22nd, 2015 05:29 pm (UTC)
sooner or later one of the heirs won't be good enough for this work and the whole company can fall because of his/her fault.

yeah, some even think if this heredity thing continues in Johnnys, then someday EXILE will definitely beat them down. I can't disagree with that. Exile's influence and growing popularity is kinda scary lately haha
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Jan. 22nd, 2015 02:18 pm (UTC)
Thanks alot yanie-san. This interview answers a lot of questions in JE fandom.

Mary is really scary but maybe this is how she should be as the Empress of JE Jimusho Empire :D

I don't quite like some points in her answers but i have respect for her. At least her answers can stop the stupid thing called "faction" among the fandoms.

Just a side note, her husband's description about her is so right!

Thank you again, yanie-san and i also hope for a SmArashi in the future :D
Jan. 22nd, 2015 05:30 pm (UTC)
Tell me about it. Instant water heater haha
Jan. 22nd, 2015 03:49 pm (UTC)
ya oloh kak, ejke ngikik baca na.

Mary ngasih ke Iijima talent yg gak bisa nari? dia lupa apa, kalo Iijima megang kis-my-ft2, grup johnny's yg dance na paling sinkron gue bilang.

(dan gue gak suka sama kisumai padahal hahahaha)

baca interview na malah jadi si tante Mary kebakaran jenggot buat ngelindungin anaknya. kanjeng Mary, let yout daughter fight her own battle.

p.s : iya Travis Payne itu koreografer Michael Jackson yang berapa kali megang koreo musikal na anak Johnny's (dia juga koreografer boiben korea setau gue).

ada grup johnny's junior yg namanya Travis Japan, yg anggota na dipilih sendiri sama Travis Payne. kemampuan dance Travis Japan ini konon yg termasuk mumpuni di antara junior-junior seangkatan na.
Jan. 22nd, 2015 05:32 pm (UTC)
Oh kisumai jago dance yah? kok gw gak berasa ya? wkwkwkwk kburu males liatnya kali.

tapi ABC-Z setahu gw jago dance-nya... eh apa jago akrobat doang? haha

Ho oohhh... nek mary kayak kebakaran rambut (gak punya jenggot dia kak wkwkwkw)

Owwhh begono... terus yg tentang Aoyama Teater itu apa yah... gw gak ngerti... jdnya translation-nya kayaknya ngaco deh... Aoyama Teater itu proyeknya Jonis Jr yah?
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Jan. 22nd, 2015 04:07 pm (UTC)
Thank you for translating. It was an interesting reading.
Jan. 22nd, 2015 05:11 pm (UTC)
Mary is so scary... Thank you so much for translating it!!

This interview somewhat made me believe that there's really a faction in JE. It's clearer now that there's a barrier between SMAP and Arashi.. Perhaps Johnny sees potential in Iijima, that's why she's a strong successor in the Jimusho. I would like to side with Iijima but I know I'll always be on Arashi's side.

Poor Iijima.. She and SMAP were humiliated by Mary in front of the reporter...
Jan. 22nd, 2015 05:36 pm (UTC)
Don't worry please stay on Arashi's side. There is no right or wrong in this. Iijima sounded like the one we should feel sorry for, in this interview, but who knows? Maybe she IS doing something behind Mary's back, and that's why Mary is panicking. Just because Iijima is SMAP's manager and an outsider in the Jimusho, I don't think she's exactly a saint either.

Also, I still don't know anything about Julie. Her mother might be like a monster, but maybe Julie is nice to Iijima, no one knows.

I need a cross talk between Johnny X Mary X Julie X Iijima LOL
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Jan. 22nd, 2015 07:39 pm (UTC)
Waaaaah!!!! Interesting read. Thanks so much for translating. Mary-san is chooo kowaiii.... I've never really thought that there's a faction in the jimusho but I always wondered why SMAP and Arashi never appeared together except for Kouhaku. Now, I understand. I can only imagine the tense atmosphere during that 5 hour interview. I feel sorry for Iljima and the reporter. :/
Jan. 22nd, 2015 08:56 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for translating! That was an exciting read! It really feels like a taiga drama, or a Shakespeare play XD

...I wonder if Johnny is anything like Mary?
Jan. 22nd, 2015 11:08 pm (UTC)
Mary is CRAZY, everybody run!
My arms are open for Tomo, Arashi and Smap. They can be part of my agency.
Thanks for the translation ^^
Jan. 23rd, 2015 06:29 am (UTC)
So this was the reason....

thank you for translating :) I am amazed too
Jan. 23rd, 2015 11:40 am (UTC)
that's just a 1 scarry granny there! having faction sounds better now than this. This is another different level of worse than faction, and to make it worse, it's created from the core itself. goodness... how are they going to survive for the next generation?
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